Archief - Gijzeling school in Rusland
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YellinD
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themuslim zei:lol excuses, iemand die zich excuseert tov u, moet wel een paar vijsjes kwijt zijn...
en Yellin je bent blijkbaar nog steeds onwetend als een maand gelede, Good job.
iemand die niet gelooft in terrorisme != onwetend
Oh BTW toegeven dat je een banned persoon bent, is toch opnieuw banned?
dikkie
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CAIRO, Egypt - Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday as Middle East media and officials registered their horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school.
Unusually forthright self-criticism followed the end of the hostage crisis, along with warnings such actions inflict more damage to the image of Islam than all its enemies combined could hope. Arab leaders and Muslim clerics denounced the school seizure as unjustifiable and expressed their sympathy.
Russian commandos stormed the school Friday in Beslan, Russia; it had been taken over apparently by rebels demanding independence for Chechnya. Death toll reports ran as high as 250, with twice as many wounded. Many of the casualties were children.
Images of terrified young survivors being carried from the scene aired repeatedly on Arab TV stations. Pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Arab newspapers Saturday. "Holy warriors" from the Middle East long have supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed.
"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"
Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of al-Qaida terror network.
"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications.
"The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us," al-Rashed wrote.
Contributors to Islamic Web sites known for their extremist content had mixed reactions on the hostage crisis, with some praising the separatists as holy warriors. Others wrote that people should wait until the militants had been identified before implicating Arabs in the drama.
A statement in the name of The Islambouli Brigades posted Saturday on an Internet site known for its militant content, meanwhile, distanced the group from the school attack, though it did not criticize the Chechen rebels it indicated were behind it and called the hostage-takers demands "justified." There was no way to verify its authenticity.
"We in al-Islambouli Brigades, although we bless the efforts of our brothers in Chechnya in defending their honor and their religion, announce that we have no relationship with any cell of the cells that carried out the Ossetia operation, and that we didn't contribute with any munitions or money in this operation," the statement said.
"The dirty Russian government carries all the responsibility and the repercussions of this operation," it said.
Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that hostage-takers in Russia as well as in Iraq are only harming Islam.
"If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote.
The horrifying images of the dead and wounded Russian students "showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families."
An editorial in the Saudi English-language Arab News put some blame for the bloody end to the school siege on Vladimir Putin, saying the Russian president couldn't afford to lose his "tough-man image." But it added that "the Chechens, with the choice of their targets, had put themselves in a position where no one would shed tears when the punishment came. They reached a new low when they chose toddlers as bargaining chips."
Heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait offered their sympathy Friday to Russian officials and to the families of people caught up in the hostage drama. A prominent Muslim cleric also denounced it.
"What is the guilt of those children [in Russia]? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?" Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon in Banha, 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of Cairo.
"You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt's Middle East News agency as saying.
Unusually forthright self-criticism followed the end of the hostage crisis, along with warnings such actions inflict more damage to the image of Islam than all its enemies combined could hope. Arab leaders and Muslim clerics denounced the school seizure as unjustifiable and expressed their sympathy.
Russian commandos stormed the school Friday in Beslan, Russia; it had been taken over apparently by rebels demanding independence for Chechnya. Death toll reports ran as high as 250, with twice as many wounded. Many of the casualties were children.
Images of terrified young survivors being carried from the scene aired repeatedly on Arab TV stations. Pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Arab newspapers Saturday. "Holy warriors" from the Middle East long have supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed.
"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"
Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of al-Qaida terror network.
"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications.
"The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us," al-Rashed wrote.
Contributors to Islamic Web sites known for their extremist content had mixed reactions on the hostage crisis, with some praising the separatists as holy warriors. Others wrote that people should wait until the militants had been identified before implicating Arabs in the drama.
A statement in the name of The Islambouli Brigades posted Saturday on an Internet site known for its militant content, meanwhile, distanced the group from the school attack, though it did not criticize the Chechen rebels it indicated were behind it and called the hostage-takers demands "justified." There was no way to verify its authenticity.
"We in al-Islambouli Brigades, although we bless the efforts of our brothers in Chechnya in defending their honor and their religion, announce that we have no relationship with any cell of the cells that carried out the Ossetia operation, and that we didn't contribute with any munitions or money in this operation," the statement said.
"The dirty Russian government carries all the responsibility and the repercussions of this operation," it said.
Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that hostage-takers in Russia as well as in Iraq are only harming Islam.
"If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote.
The horrifying images of the dead and wounded Russian students "showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families."
An editorial in the Saudi English-language Arab News put some blame for the bloody end to the school siege on Vladimir Putin, saying the Russian president couldn't afford to lose his "tough-man image." But it added that "the Chechens, with the choice of their targets, had put themselves in a position where no one would shed tears when the punishment came. They reached a new low when they chose toddlers as bargaining chips."
Heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait offered their sympathy Friday to Russian officials and to the families of people caught up in the hostage drama. A prominent Muslim cleric also denounced it.
"What is the guilt of those children [in Russia]? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?" Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon in Banha, 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of Cairo.
"You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt's Middle East News agency as saying.
themuslim
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hmm dan ben ik wss de enige hier, die vind dat er naar de terroristen geluisterd moet worden... enja ook onderhandeld, jullie zijn namelijk overtuigd dat je terrorisme kunt verdrijven door ze hard aan te pakke, maar terroristen hebben hun wortels in de bevolking. dus verwijder je de terroristen dan zal er binnen zo veel tijd weer terroristen "ontstaan" vanuit de bevolking
Mr.Choco
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heb ik nooit, en zal ik nooit goedkeuren. keur het serieus af, en ik heb ook kippenvel gekregen tijdens t zien van de beelden. maar het is nu eenmaal zo'n situatie e. oog om oog, tand om tand...Quxan zei:ze hadden het beter toch bestormt zoals de schouwburg (waar ik trouwens voorstander van was en bleef)... er gingen misschien ook slachtoffers vallen, maar het ging waarschijnlijk minder erg zijn als nu.
oog om oog, tand om tand, mn kloten, op onschuldige burgers schieten doe je niet...@ choco, bhytre : puke :
Mr.Choco
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Marginale, lees eens mijn post hierbij, vooral dan de quote. die heeft al ineens een heel deel van u reply ontkracht....Marginale zei:Vrouwen en kinderen afslachten is natuurlijk een veeeeeeeel beter optie (en dat voor aanhangers van de meest perfecte godsdienst)
Kvraag mij af hoe ulle pedoprofeet hierop zou reageren, 9-jarige kindjes doodschieten, em had er godverdomme nog mee kunne trouwen
Toch raar ook dat die moslims weinig of niets van zich laten horen om zoon zaken af te keuren, eerder krijg je zoon reacties van hierboven. Doe zo voort manne en de wereld zal veel respect voor ulle krijgen :ironic:
Voor wanneer is de betoging gepland tegen het moslimterrorisme, om een klaar en duidelijk signaal te geven dat "echte" moslims dit afkeuren, net zoals er massademonstraties zijn als Bush weer eens iet in zijn koppeke krijgt?
pedoprofeet? van een beetje meer respect gaat ge heus ni doodgaan hoor....
nee hij is geen pedo, weet je waarom? een pedo is iemand die seks bedrijft met een klein kind, dat deed onze profeet niet. hij trouwde ermee maar de seks kwam op latere leeftijd
en hoe hij zou gereageerd hebben? hij zou die ten strengste hebben afgekeurd, net zoals de meeste moslims dat doen!!! vreemd e, maar ja, als ge dan ook ni met moslims in contact komt kunt ge ook ni wete da ze da afkeuren e. maar dus zoals k zei, lees de quote in de reply hierboven en ge zult t wel zelf zien
MVG
Choco
w00tw00t
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sub-d! zei:
oorlog
mja tis nog altijd gene reden om mense hun koppe af te snijde of ledemate van iemand trg sturen naar familieleden
kzie dien tsjetsjene als barbare / dieren
afslachte die handel
zelfs tijdes de sovjet republic pikten de tsjetjsene mense op van straat, mense die geen familie hadden of alcoholicers , en gebruikten ze als slaven op hun boerderijen
ze hadde hun kans gehad ze hebbn ze verkloot
probeer je te vluchte kop af
@ choco
tis idd zo
de terroristen geven een neg beeld van de islam
ik ben zelf christen maar ik kan snape dat door zo een krapuul ,glijk hen en der zijn ook nog andere mense behalve de terroristen die dan in de naam van god handelen , een religie zwart word gemaakt
twas etzelfde in de middeleeuwen met et christendom
en @ titan master (domed om voor altijd gebanned te worde)
met mense zoals jouw valt er niet te prate
jij bent een goed voorbeeld van lichte extremisme
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