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DogFacedGod

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Bot zei:
NEE DAAR GAAT HET NIET OM

jullie moesten beter opletten tijdens de les geschiedenis, het gaat er niet om dat reptiele onze wereld gaan overnemen maar de symbolen die werden besproken, nu overal te vinden zijn

ik wist me nog te herinneren dat de profeet mohamed (ik ben geen moslim)ons waarschuwt voor een alziend oog.. Waar vinde we die terug? Op da dollar briefke en in andere lessen geschiedenis

Waarom zou een almachtige organisatie zich bezig houden met het verspreiden van hun symbooltje her en der?
dat alziend oog hangt trouwens in ieder huis. Op het plakkaat "hier vloekt men niet!"
Ik zou me toch met nuttigere dingen bezig houden als almachtige organisatie.


We kopiëren symbolen sinds dat de mens ontstaan is.

¨$^µù^§èçà#&&²

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Bot zei:

Je moet eens wat lezen over hoe je mensen om de tuin kan leiden. Feiten vermengen met fictie en dergelijke. Eye-opening.

Bacon

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Alhoewel ik niet denk dat er 1 organisatie is met alle macht geloof ik wel dat het naief is te denken dat er geen internationale machtsgroeperingen zijn.

De historie van internationale bankiers is er zeker 1 die zo'n machtstructuren aan het licht brengt en duidelijk maakt dat het niet altijd politiekers zijn die de plak zwaaien. Alhoewel dit voor sommige als een donderslag bij open hemel zal klinken is het toch geen geheim. Zelfs België kon opgericht worden dankzij de hulp van 'de man achter de schermen'. (staat niet in quote)

Zo had Nathan Rothschild na 17 jaar in Londen te hebben vertoefd zijn bedrag van 20.000 pond wat hij van zijn vader had mee gekregen zo’n 2500 keer verdubbeld waarbij hij een kapitaal had van ruim 50.000.000 pond (daarbij moet men nog de winsten optellen die de rest van zijn broers hadden vergaard - het Rothschildfortuin wordt voor die tijd geschat op meer dan 300.000.000 pond). Het bedrag van Nathan was voor die tijd een bedrag wat absoluut ongekend was, en omgerekend voor deze tijd miljarden zouden bedragen (een deel dus van het totale Rothschild fortuin alleen al in die tijd).
In 1817 schreef de directeur van de Pruissische schat na een bezoek aan Londen, dat Nathan een ongelooflijke invloed had op alle financiele zaken in Londen. Hij zei letterlijk; ‘Zijn macht als bankier is enorm.’ Ook de secretaris van de Oostenrijkse prins Mettemich zei over de Rothschilds; "Zij zijn de rijkste mensen in Europa." Door de absolute coöperatie met de rest van de familie, en het uitvoeren van zeer slimme gedeelde bankierstechnieken waarbij men geld uitwisselde en ook achterhield, werden ze extreem rijk.

Zo rond de helft van de 19e eeuw domineerden de Rothschilds al de rest van de Europese banken, en werden ze de rijkste familie van de wereld. Een groot deel van de Europese aristocratie had in die tijd al enorme schulden bij de Rothschilds. De Rothschilds alszijnde bankiers van zoveel landen waren absoluut een autonome macht te noemen, en dus absoluut onafhankelijk van de naties waar zij opereerden (nog steeds). Wanneer bijvoorbeeld een natie hen teleurstelde en niet beantwoordde aan hun interesse, dan konden ze gewoon stoppen met hen geld te verlenen, en groepen tegen hen opzetten (door financiering) die het politiek gezien niet eens waren met de desbetreffende natie. Dit is dan ook het ultieme geheim en de werking van het fenomeen globalisering.

De dag van vandaag lijkt die machtstructuur nog altijd aanwezig. Dit valt ook op in deze moeilijke tijden op de beurs, de banken die door de overheid de hand boven het hoofd gehouden worden, zijn nog altijd de Morgans en Rockefellers. Dit zijn ook de mensen die zo belachelijk veel macht hebben dat ze openlijk over hun plannen van werelddominantie praten. Dit is (volgens mij) zeker nog geen feit, maar wel een doel. Als de modale mens de fabels blijft geloven die TV en gazet verkopen dan zou die machstructuur zich zo kunnen uitbreiden dat we inderdaad in een situatie zitten zoals enkele van de elite het graag zouden zien. Met een aanval op Iran komt die situatie weer wat dichter, de constante regen van kritiek op Bush is dus niet simpelweg te verklaren als haat voor Amerikanen.
Je hoeft maar te kijken hoe ze, tegen de wil van de mensen, meestal met veel omwegen en soms met oorlog, stilletjesaan alle landen proberen samen voegen in unies, wat is volgens u de volgende stap?
Neem als voorbeeld de europese grondwet, zij die mochten stemmen stemden tegen, wat is het gevolg? Ze geven de grondwet een kosmetische beurt zodat jan en klein peerke er zelfs met een team van 5 advocaten niet meer aan uit kan, maar de essentie blijft net hetzelfde. Maw "f*ck you we're doing it anyway".

Waarom gebeurt zoiets? Toch maar politiekers die 'domme dingen' doen? Of zit er een bepaald plan achter?

Zowat alle grote namen in de politiek hebben ooit al gesproken dat er moet gewerkt worden naar een nieuwe wereld orde, zelfs onze eigenste Verhofstad gaf hierover een speech na 9/11. Ook beide Bushes, de nieuwe Gordon Brown en Sarkozy. Wat willen deze woorden dan zeggen? En waarom zijn wij reptielidioten omdat we de woorden in onze mond nemen en waarom blijft iemand als Verhofstad gewoon premier?

Cognitive dissonance?

Anyway, het begint al bij het woordje "samenzwering" dat automatisch een knop doet omdraaien bij de meesten.
Infeite is het niet meer dan minstens 2 personen die beslissen 'iets' te doen wat voor iemand anders een negatief effect heeft.
Met die definitie denk ik dat er vandaag meer samenzweringen dan contracten zijn. De vraag is dus niet of ze er zijn maar waar ze ophouden, en of het in essentie wel reëel is te denken dat deze op een bepaald niveau zouden ophouden.

Laat termen als conspiracy theorie of samenzwering achterwege, ze hebben maar 1 doel en dat is een debat of standpunt verzieken, dit door jarenlang conspiracy gelijk te stellen met fantasie, soms terecht, dikwijls niet. Beeld u in dat ze u vrouw a en vrouw b aanbieden voor een nachtje, maar tussenhaakjes, vrouw b heeft een SOA.
Dat is exact de reactie die zo'n woord als conspiracy teweegbrengt. Men hoeft niet verder op de feiten in te gaan, het staat toch al vast wat je gaat geloven.

Ga aub eens in op de feiten ipv 3 pagina's met achterhaalde reptiel- "grappen" af te komen. Moet wel toegeven dat er weinig inhoudelijke aan bod is gekomen om op in te gaan...

Aanrader:
John Pilger - Freedom Next Time
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258131083758254736

Australian journalist, author, film maker John Pilger speaks about global media consolidation, war by journalism, US military's quest for domination/hegemony in the post 9/11 era, false history in the guise of 'objective' journalism. Filmed in Chicago at Socialism 2007.


En deze:
PNAC (Project for a new American citizen) Rebuilding America's Senses DL Lecture
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8545414779301935419

ng

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Over dat stukje over Rothschild.
Wat ik daaruit concludeer is dat hij:

1) een geweldige neus voor zaken had
2) hij misschien wat corrupt was
3) geld geeft macht
4) dat sommige mensen gewoon jaloers zijn op hun geld

En over die nieuwe wereldorde. Moet dat iets slecht zijn?
Kan evengoed iets zoals de VN zijn, maar dat beter uitgewerkt.

Bacon

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night ghost 128 zei:
Over dat stukje over Rothschild.
Wat ik daaruit concludeer is dat hij:

1) een geweldige neus voor zaken had
2) hij misschien wat corrupt was
3) geld geeft macht
4) dat sommige mensen gewoon jaloers zijn op hun geld

U kan dat daaruit concluderen, ik zei enkel maar dat ze een machtstructuur waren, niet dat ze de wereld controleren. Maar wat bedoel je met "misschien wat corrupt"? Weet u met andere woorden waar het ophoud?

night ghost 128 zei:
En over die nieuwe wereldorde. Moet dat iets slecht zijn?
Kan evengoed iets zoals de VN zijn, maar dat beter uitgewerkt.

De VN is een onderdeel, of in ieder geval een instrument van die nieuwe wereldorde. Net zoals het IMF, World Bank, enzovoort..
Ik denk niet dat de macht nog meer centraliseren een oplossing gaat bieden. We moeten net decentraliseren, zorgen dat de stem terug bij de normale werkende mens ligt ipv de "fatcats", wie ze ook mogen zijn.

Terrorist_Hell

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Zeitgeist is aan te raden, net zoals Food as medicine (2 delen) en Codex Alimentarius

Voor de rest, tja typische reacties... M'n vorig topic werd gesloten wegens weinig eigen inbreng, soit daar kan ik mee leven (alhoewel de newsletters m'n argumenten waren, maar bon). 'k Post hieronder 2 newsletters van Icke omtrent samenzweringen e.d. en ook al kun je al raden wat 't moraal van 't verhaal is, gelieve toch even kort te lezen. Dank u.

Aan mods: nee, dit is geen blog, de topicstarter wenste artikels (met als uiteindelijk resultaat 'n discussie). Aangezien het merendeel van de bezoekers hier negatieve/kinderachtige/niet-inhoudelijke/op-de-man-spelende argumenten posten, kan ik niet anders dan een (lang) artikel posten om de discussie wat inhoudelijk te maken.

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The David Icke Newsletter, April 29th 2007

THE NO-CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ...

... WITH CONCRETE ON THEIR MINDS


Hello all ...

I was asked to appear in a television documentary this week for Britain's Channel 4 that asked the question: 'Who is ruling the world?' The programme is being made for young people by the channel's education department and will go out to schools and colleges.

The decision to make the programme came after a survey found that large numbers of young people now mistrust government, authority in general and even Channel 4. What great news this is, given that those in power have shown over and over that they lie to us on a daily basis.

My part in the documentary led to me meeting a university psychology academic called Chris French from Goldsmith's College at the University of London. He's a BA PhD CPsychol FBPsS FRSA. Must be intelligent, then. French has produced some astonishing research. Mind, I use the term 'astonishing', as in 'astonishing that he bothered'. He and his colleagues questioned people about 'conspiracy theories' and this is what they found:

* Those who trust authority are less likely to believe in conspiracies.
* Those who distrust authority are more likely to believe in conspiracies.

Ain't academia great? How would we survive without these guys? Anyone with a brain could have told them what they would find before they even started, because of course that is bound to be true. If you don't trust authority you are going to be more open to claims that they are lying than if you think authority is benign and only there to serve the best interests of the people. Er, and?

As I said to French in our interchange on the programme, the point is not who will, or will not, believe in the conspiracy view of world events. The question is this: are the claims true and supportable by the evidence? In short, is the conspiracy happening or isn't it?

This, however, is too simple and direct for the concrete end of academia which, in my experience, is a very long end indeed. Never mind the evidence, it must be something in people's psyche that gets them to believe in conspiracies. After all, the conspiracies can't be true, because we don't believe them. So, let's have a survey and disappear up our own backsides pouring over the obvious, and let's forget little irrelevant details like whether the conspiracy is happening or not.

French told me they had found that those who believed in 'conspiracy theories' were more likely to be 'delusional' than those who didn't believe them. The psychiatric definition of 'delusional' is: 'A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution'.

So how come no-conspiracy theorists are not considered 'delusional' when they believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq just because those in authority told them this was the case? Ah, but, you see, not to believe in conspiracies is more credible to academia because it supports the establishment version of events. It is like believing in extraterrestrial life. The idea that life as we know it has only evolved on this tiny little planet and nowhere else is considered credible because that's the establishment's view that people like Chris French are there to serve. Therefore, to believe that given the perceived vastness of space there has to be other life 'out there' is considered 'delusional' - 'He believes in little green men', and all that crap.

There is no better example of this phenomenon that I call 'reverse-credibility', than the Islamic hijackers theory about 9/11. It is credible to believe that nineteen hijackers who struggled to fly one-engined Cessnas at puddle-jumping flying schools could suddenly manifest the ability to fly jumbo jets with the most extraordinary skill. But, to say that this is clearly nonsense is a 'conspiracy theory' that attracts dismissal from people like French. He was trying to defend the official 9/11 story during our chat, including the hijacker-pilots-who-couldn't-fly theory.

I asked him for his definition of delusional with regard to his survey and he said it was those who answered 'yes' to questions like: Do you think that everyone is being tracked by their mobile phone?

Once again, whether they are or not is never addressed by French and company. Only his interpretation of the answer matters. The fact is that everyone can be tracked by their cell phone and many are when they are being particularly targeted. I don't believe that everyone is, because most people are no problem to authority and so there is no point.

But to believe that it might be happening when surveillance is increasing by the day is now considered 'delusional'. French doesn't know if the statement is true or false, but he believes it to be false and so anyone who thinks it might be going on must be delusional because he can't be wrong.

French told me there was no evidence for what I was saying in my books about a global conspiracy to impose an Orwellian state. I asked him the obvious question: Have you read any of them? His answer ... 'No'.

This is absolutely typical of his breed and I have met so many of these academic clones who parrot their song sheet 'science' and song sheet 'psychology'. They are not interested in evidence, only their own theories. Indeed, they are no-conspiracy theorists who never bother to check out the validity of what is being claimed by actually researching the evidence.

I said I couldn't take him seriously when he was saying on one hand that there was no evidence and yet not even bothering to read even one of my books to see what evidence was being presented. 'I knew you would take that line', he said. Well, what other 'line' is there to take in the circumstances?

If someone had rigid views on what it is like to travel by train when they had never been near a railway station, people like French would say they had a psychological flaw. But that's exactly what he and his colleagues do. They have concrete opinions without even a cursory look at the evidence, and then accuse people of being delusional for believing in something when, in the unresearched opinion of people like Chris French, there is no evidence! They are looking themselves in the mirror and they are too full of themselves to see it.

When I challenged French about dismissing evidence that he hadn't even bothered to read, he said he knew what I was saying from articles he had read in the media. Given that we are talking about one of the most miss-represented people of recent times, I had to laugh at the idea that anyone could find out what I was really saying, and on what evidence, from the news media. But, then, from the moment I began talking with the guy, I knew I was in Fairyland.

He told me that my work was based on a document called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which he claimed was a 'proven fake'. I asked him how he knew that my books were based on that. He had seen it in the papers. The fact that this was provable nonsense, as a read of my books would immediately confirm, was once again irrelevant to him.

What I found most fascinating was to see this no-conspiracy theorist act in precisely the same way he claims for those 'conspiracy theorists' that he so dismisses.

* He says that people believe in conspiracies without any evidence.
* Yet he believes there is no conspiracy without looking at the evidence.
* He says that 'conspiracy theorists' make everything fit their theory.
* Yet he was constantly trying to find ways to make everything fit his no-conspiracy theory.

Chris French was everything he was accusing others of being. I asked him what he thought of the FBI claim to have found a paper passport from one of the '9/11 hijackers' near the Twin Towers, despite the planes crashing in fireballs, the towers turning to dust and thousands of bodies never being recovered. He told me that he had seen a story once of a gas explosion in a house that had caused lots of damage, but the person inside got out unscathed.

I said that the FBI had never produced the passport and, a year after they called a news conference to announce they had found it, the Bureau had told a television documentary team that the find of a hijacker's passport was 'a rumour that might be true'.

Now French theory one, that the paper passport did actually survive, was in deep trouble and another had to be conjured immediately. Maybe, he said, there had been a mix-up in communication and the people who held the news conference had been told it had been found when it wasn't. Had he ever checked that out? No. Would he ever check it out? No. As long as it could give his no-conspiracy theory an escape route, that's all that concerned him.

The common thread of our conversation was that French had to find a way of explaining everything to fit his theory. Any possibility that events could be orchestrated to achieve an outcome had no chance of breaching his firewall. He accuses others of constructing 'conspiracy theories' to make sense of a complex world when he is constructing no-conspiracy theories in precisely the same way.

French is not alone either. He's a blueprint, a program, which you find in the same positions all over the world. I was on a Canadian television news show a few years ago with a university psychologist straight off the production line that produced Chris French. He said that people believed in conspiracy theories because they had to find a way of making sense of a complex world. That is exactly what French said to me this week almost word-for-word, because they share the same computer reality.

I asked this Canadian guy to tell me about the Bilderberg Group. He wouldn't answer and banged on with his no-conspiracy theory. He then said that if what I was saying was true, why were the authorities allowing me to speak in Vancouver? I pointed out that we had spent the last month changing venues as each one pulled out under pressure not to let me speak and that a book signing at a major bookstore had been banned that very week for the same reason. The guy made a right prat of himself, but walked away oblivious of this fact.

After the filming, Chris French asked me if I would give a talk to the 'Skeptics Society' in a London pub. I said no, because there was no point. The Skeptics Society is a forum for concrete psyches 'devoted to promoting scientific skepticism and resisting the spread of pseudoscience, superstition, and irrational beliefs'. It would be like talking to a wall and I have one in front of me that I can use without any need to travel.

People say it's good to be skeptical, or sceptical as we spell the word in Britain, but it isn't. It is good to question and research, but that's not the same as being sceptical. A sceptic is someone who comes from a fixed position and then filters all evidence to the contrary, and the main method is by always finding another explanation for something, no matter how far fetched and ludicrous. By finding another means of explaining away something that challenges their fixed position, they can maintain the fixed position; and that's the whole idea of the exercise: defending their belief. It is irrelevant if the explanation they come with up is not valid - they never bother to research that. So long as they can find something, anything, that's enough to preserve the perception.

Look at that line again about the Skeptics Society: '... devoted to promoting scientific skepticism and resisting the spread of pseudoscience, superstition, and irrational beliefs'. Who decides what is pseudoscience, superstition, and irrational belief? They do, from their fixed belief in how things are. I have met a number of these people and many of them are utterly desperate to find ways of dismissing anything that is different to the norms that they slavishly worship.

This slavery to 'scientific' and society 'norms' means the sceptics that dismiss conspiracy research, like that related to 9/11, are the same people who attack and ridicule any suggestion of the so-called 'paranormal'. I have found this again and again with these characters. So, I had a right chuckle when I went to Chris French's webpage after our meeting to find out some more background about what he did. This is what I found:

My current research focuses on two main areas. The first is the psychology of paranormal beliefs and of ostensibly paranormal experiences. Although a large proportion of the population believes in the paranormal, the evidence presented to support paranormal claims is generally not very convincing in scientific terms. It would appear that on most (and perhaps all) occasions when individuals claim to have directly experienced the paranormal, plausible non-paranormal alternative explanations can be found.

These alternative accounts often rely on the imperfections in human information-processing studied by cognitive psychologists, such as those related to memory, perception, and judgement. The psychology of deception and self-deception is also of relevance in this area. I often appear on the television and radio offering a sceptical perspective on a variety of paranormal claims. I have recently set up the Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit within the Department to act as a focus for research in this area.

That's what a closed mind does for you. You don't research to discover anew; you 'research' to confirm your current beliefs. Much of academia is another religion, another belief system repelling all borders. Academia often condemns and ridicules religion when it is one and operates in the same way. What unites them all? Concrete minds.

Terrorist_Hell

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David Icke Newsletter August 26th 2007

THE 'UNHIVED MINDS' ...

... STILL IN THE HIVE


Hello all ...

A British politician once said that he could cope with the opposition, but his own side frightened him to death. His words are equally appropriate within the arena of conspiracy research.

I have met so many people over the years, including researchers and authors, who think their minds are free simply because they speak and write about aspects of the global conspiracy. But most of them are not free-thinkers at all because they continue to carry belief systems, often religious, that enclose their minds behind walls of dogma that construct and obstruct their sense of reality.

Many dismiss anything that is outside their religious belief system and condemn those who present another view. In the United States this is, to a large part, the result of the conspiracy research movement being so connected to the Christian Patriot movement that has no interest in true freedom, only the freedom for its religious belief system to prevail in place of the one it seeks to expose.

I am delighted when anyone, no matter what their belief, takes the trouble to communicate information that people need to know about the way the world is controlled and manipulated, but they do a great disservice to the greater good if they insist that anyone who goes further than them must be either mad or an agent of the state.

This week I had an email about a website called the 'Unhived Mind' in which I am named as a Freemason, an 'agent of Rome' and an operative for a British Intelligence operation called the Secret Intelligence Service, or SIS, another name for MI6. There is my picture with SIS on it, but with no supporting evidence whatsoever. I repeat, this website is called The Unhived Mind, so obviously its self-delusion runs very deep.

Irony of ironies I have done a major exposé of the fundamental Roman Church (Church of Babylon) connection to global events in my new book, due out in October, and I have been highlighting this connection for nearly 20 years.

This Unhived Mind nonsense originates from a guy in Canada called Alan Watt who appears on the conspiracy radio circuit from time to time spewing out this ludicrous trash about me being an agent of British Intelligence. The first time I heard about this I contacted him to ask that he send me all the evidence he had to back up his claims and I would post every word unedited on my website.

Communicating with Mr. Watt is not easy because instead of evidence to support his claims only childish remarks come back accompanied by ... no evidence whatsoever. Yet the 'Unhived' Mind website 'reports' this garbage, as above, again with no evidence, only on the word of Mr. Watt who produces ... no evidence.

Great research chaps and no different to the mainstream media such people condemn for telling lies to the masses with no evidence.

Mr. Watt even talks about a British Intelligence training operation for people like me at 'the Cotswolds in London' when the Cotswolds is nowhere near London. It is a tourist area way out of London in the west of England. But let's not allow the facts to spoil a good belief system.

And that's the point of telling you this story. Mr. Watt is communicating this crap because his belief system can't handle the idea that what I am saying about the Reptilian dimension to the global conspiracy can in any way be true.

He can handle the five-sense level of it okay with secret societies and political and banking scams; but other-dimensional aspects to the conspiracy? Not a chance. I have had the same junk from Watt, a guy called Greg Szymanski and others because their psyches function basically the same as they tick off the boxes that protect their belief system. This is how the minds of such people work as their beliefs man the barricades, repel all borders and maintain control of their reality:

1.) There can be no Reptilian or other dimensional, non-human involvement in the conspiracy - even though we haven't researched even the possibility. It's simply ridiculous - 'everyone knows that'.

2.) So either the person saying this is crazy or he must be a plant by the Illuminati to discredit proper 'rational' researchers like us.

That's as far as it goes in terms of 'research' and they begin to construct a scenario that fits their belief which goes something like this in the case of Mr. Watt and others.

1.) Britain is a major centre for the Illuminati (as I have been saying for nearly two decades) and David Icke is ... British! Wow.

2.) He talks about chakras and Infinite Consciousness and that's the occult!

3.) So, David Icke must be an agent of British Intelligence and Rome and into the occult. Got him, drinks all round.

Er, that's it. No more evidence either available or necessary, certainly not for the hive minds of the Unhived Mind website. I saw a posting on the Unhived Mind forum in relation to this from someone slugged 'megaman'. It said:

'Until recently, I have been following the work of David Icke, I've seen him speak, read his books and watched his DVDs/Videos. One thing that seemed odd was that he speaks of Energy, Chakras and infinite love. No mention of Jesus by Icke. Just that we're all god. Isn't a lot of this the practice of the occult (new agers)?

Do you guys have any info on him?

Thank you.'

Oh what, or Watt, a friggin' classic: 'One thing that seemed odd was that he speaks of Energy, Chakras and infinite love. No mention of Jesus by Icke. Just that we're all god. Isn't a lot of this the practice of the occult (new agers)?'

Never mind researching to see if I what I say could be true. I didn't mention Jesus and so I must, by definition, be suspicious. And my god, I talk about infinite love! That confirms it then, I must be one of them.

The term 'pathetic' does not suffice.

In fact, I do talk and write about Jesus, sometimes at length, and if 'megaman' had really read my books he would know that. I say that Jesus is the latest in a long line of mythical 'saviours' going back thousands of years before Christianity who were used as symbols for the Sun and esoteric concepts and I produce an array of information and evidence in support of that. Crikey, that should keep 'megaman' going for weeks.

I was once called 'Satan' by a caller to the Alex Jones Show in America for saying the above and years ago Alex himself condemned me in similar terms to Watt in a British television programme on the very same grounds - I was talking about Reptilians and so I either must be mad or an agent of them.

Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Greg Szymanski and others, including the Unhived Mind website, communicate some extremely valuable information, especially Alex and his team with their high profile in the US, and I wish them all well in their work. I just ask them to consider the fact that they, like all of us, do not know everything there is to know - nothing like. As the ancient Greek philosopher, Socrates, is supposed to have said: 'Wisdom is knowing how little we know'. That does not mean that we believe anything and everything, of course not; only that we are open to all possibility.

So let's just chill out and allow each other to follow the path we choose to take and unite behind what we agree on instead of being divided by what we don't.

[Another irony is that Alan Watt agrees with Alex Jones about the Reptilian connection, but seems to resent what he calls the 'superstars' of conspiracy research, apparently Alex and myself, because they commit the cardinal sin of being well known and therefore able to communicate to a large potential audience. Watt, by keeping a much lower profile, is more credible, see, because 'they' wouldn't let the 'superstars' get to so many people unless we were in their pay, his whirring psyche concludes.

It gets even more complicated when you see Alex Jones named as an 'agent of Rome' on the Unhived Mind website, partly on the grounds that he allegedly won't allow the Roman Church connection to be discussed on his show. But the same people dub me an agent of Rome when I have been talking and writing about that connection for years. Go figure.]

I have met as many closed minds in the 'conspiracy research community' as I have in the general population. They are just closed to different things, that's all. Of course, people should question everything and everyone, including me, but that is no use at all to establishing the truth unless that questioning is done with an open mind.

If it is done from the perspective of a person's prevailing belief system all that happens is that those who don't fit the belief system in what they do and say are immediately dismissed or condemned. That is not questioning, it is being a slave to preconceived belief.

I saw a wonderful example of this in an article in the London Daily Mail by a Melanie Phillips in support of Judeo-Christianity and attacking Professor Richard Dawkins, a 'rational scientist' who has been bashing religion for years along with any suggestion of life after death. He has now made two television programmes bashing alternative healing methods, psychics etc., and this was the peg for the Phillips article. Dawkins is actually a professional basher addicted to rubbishing other peoples' lifestyles and ideas.

I have debated with him at the Oxford Union at Oxford University and it is like being addressed by a wall. Nor, on that occasion at least, have I often witnessed such a poor presenter of his case or a more arrogant piece of work. I found him a very strange man indeed.

However, we are talking about the power of belief systems and both Dawkins and Phillips give us so much to make the point. Dawkins is vehemently anti-religion and anti-anything that does not conform to his imprisoned mind labelled 'rational science'. Phillips is vehemently anti-science where it denies the truth of her religion.

But that means that both belief systems, while opposing on one level, agree that alternative methods of healing, psychic phenomena and any idea of conspiracies cannot possibly be true because for Phillips they challenge Judeo-Christianity and her 'rational' mind, and for Dawkins they cannot be encompassed within 'rational science' or 'rational thinking'. Therefore, Melanie Phillips speaks for both of them when she writes:

'In a TV programme to be shown later this month, Dawkins looks at a range of ludicrous therapies and gurus, including faith healers, psychic mediums, "angel therapists", "aura photographers", astrologers and others.

Not surprisingly, he is horrified by such widespread irrationality, not to mention an exploitative industry that fleeces people while encouraging them to run away from reality. He is right to be alarmed.

What previously belonged to the province of the quack and the charlatan has become mainstream. The NHS provides funding for shamans, while the NHS Directory For Alternative And Complementary Medicine promotes "dowsers", "flower therapists" and "crystal healers".

Indeed, such therapies aren't the half of it. Millions of us are now eager to believe that the world is controlled by conspiracies of covert forces, for which there is not one shred of evidence because such theories are simply bonkers.'

How much research has Phillips done into any of this? None whatsoever because these people never do and so they have no idea how much evidence there is because they have never checked. They are belief-system groupies. Any idea that the official story of 9/11 is not true is still more confirmation in Phillips' pea-pod reality that the purveyor of such a suggestion is simply insane. Oh yes, and those who are open to other ways of seeing the world are the victims of cults that use mind control techniques, including food and sleep depravation. The lady is barely one-dimensional, which is probably why she is employed by the Daily Mail.

She can say all this because, in doing so, her belief system is safe and her Judeo-Christian superiority can be postured while ignoring the fact that her 'rational' religion is founded on the belief that a man was conceived without intercourse, crucified on a cross, de-manifested in a tomb, re-manifested after three days and then de-manifested again to go back to Heaven. In between, he turned water into wine, walked on water and turned five loaves and two fishes into enough food to feed a multitude with lots left over.

If a 'New Age cult' had claimed all that for one of its 'gurus', Phillips would be the first to condemn its advocates as mentally ill and highly dangerous. Such is the power of belief. 'No, of course none of that is possible, except for Jesus.' As she wrote of the Dawkins condemnation of alternative thinking:

'Not surprisingly, he is horrified by such widespread irrationality, not to mention an exploitative industry that fleeces people while encouraging them to run away from reality. He is right to be alarmed.'

All that applies to Judeo-Christianity, which could buy and sell many times over the 'exploitative industry' she talks about. The Church of England is one of the biggest landowners and landlords in Britain and the value of its property and shares (in many unsavoury corporations) jumped by £800 million in 2005 alone to nearly £5 billion. The Christian Church has staggering worldwide assets and has been fleecing people all over the planet for centuries by encouraging them to run away from reality or getting them to kill and conquer on its behalf.

The key word in defence of belief systems and the pursuit of credibility is 'rational', which means that anyone with a different view must therefore be 'irrational'. So Dawkins says that religion is nonsense because it is not 'rational' and Phillips says that science is not 'rational' because it disputes her spin on life. Both agree that any alternative to either of their beliefs is not 'rational'. Phillips contends that 'reason', another word for rational, is intrinsic in the Judeo-Christian tradition when it is patently not given that they can't even say who wrote the Bible and when, let alone explain all the changes made over centuries to fit the requirements of those in power at the time.

So what is this 'rational'? One dictionary definition says it is 'characterising a thought process based on reason; sane; logical'.

But what is 'logical'? It is what seems to be 'logical' and 'rational' from the information available and the belief system thus created. It was 'logical' and 'rational' to believe before the knowledge of gravity that the world could not be a sphere because people at the bottom would fall off.

That's all that 'rational' is. It is a belief-system based on information currently available ... OR ... information that people allow access to their belief system. This is strictly rationed (rationally) by religious believers, 'scientific' believers and many conspiracy researchers to preserve their ... belief system.

It all comes back to the same thing in the end. Open minds and concrete ones.

If people believe the world is 'physical' then the idea of shapeshifting is 'irrational'. When you realise that there is no 'physical', only a holographic illusion constructed in our minds, then shapeshifting is perfectly 'rational' because the brain is just changing the way it decodes energy into a holographic reality. It is like switching television channels.

This is why words like 'rational' are so irrelevant because what people such as Phillips and Dawkins call 'rational' is merely what their belief systems judge to be so. It is the same with everyone, including Alan Watt, the Unhived Mind and their ilk.

It is because what I say about the global conspiracy is outside their belief system's range of possibility that I must be 'irrational' or a plant to discredit their 'rational' beliefs. That is sad on one level, but, to me, it's hilarious to observe because it is so utterly predictable once you know how their minds work.

We live within Infinite Consciousness, we are Infinite Consciousness, and therefore anything is possible. If it can be imagined, it can manifest. That's where I am coming from, anyway, and belief systems close off the channels to those levels of infinite imagination, thus making 'I can't' and 'it can't' self-fulfilling prophecies.

It is not what is said about me personally that concerns me here. I have had far worse and I've long given up worrying what other people think about what I am and what I do.

It is the way that people kid themselves that they are freethinkers while they continue to live in prisons of the mind and how they talk about the conspiracy while belief systems implanted by the conspiracy, like religion and 'rational science', continue to control their reality.

We all still have a lot of waking up to do. The trick is to know that and not think that knowledge of the Bilderberg Group or the massive influence of the Church of Rome means your mind is now free from deceit.

This is why so many 'unhived' minds are buzzing as I speak.

noreeeee

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Of dat er nu echt iets bestaat als de NWO laat ik wel ff int midden.
Maar ik denk dat er genoeg bedrijfsleiders en andere rijke mensen meer macht hebben als regeringen. Zeker nu ten tijde van de globalistatie. Een bedrijf zit in meerdere landen. = Extra macht.

Ik vind dat sommige mensen te naief zijn en denken dat alles wel inorde zal zijn. Maar niemand dat dat kan controleren. Buiten de heersende elite.

Dus geparafraseerd er zijn machtige mensen maar een echt uigebreide organisatie denk ik niet.

Ook vind ik het belachelijk dat iedereen den threadstarter direct begint aftebreken zonder enige argumentatie. Proficiat.

ng

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Bacon zei:
U kan dat daaruit concluderen, ik zei enkel maar dat ze een machtstructuur waren, niet dat ze de wereld controleren. Maar wat bedoel je met "misschien wat corrupt"? Weet u met andere woorden waar het ophoud?



De VN is een onderdeel, of in ieder geval een instrument van die nieuwe wereldorde. Net zoals het IMF, World Bank, enzovoort..
Ik denk niet dat de macht nog meer centraliseren een oplossing gaat bieden. We moeten net decentraliseren, zorgen dat de stem terug bij de normale werkende mens ligt ipv de "fatcats", wie ze ook mogen zijn.

Wat ik bedoel met wat corrupt, is dat er staat dat ze geld achterhielden. Dat is corrupt zijn.

En de macht bij de werkende mens? Wat gaat die nu te zeggen hebben over wereldpolitiek. Laat staan dat het hem interesseert.

dadash

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Zelfs al bestaat er zoiets als het NWO. Is dat dan zo slecht? Een organisatie die de ganse wereld verenigd vind ik nog zo slecht niet. Los je meteen oorlogen op want er is maar 1 land meer.

Trouwens was Prins Filip niet een van die leiders van zo'n geheime organisatie?

DA_MadAce

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dadash zei:
Zelfs al bestaat er zoiets als het NWO. Is dat dan zo slecht? Een organisatie die de ganse wereld verenigd vind ik nog zo slecht niet. Los je meteen oorlogen op want er is maar 1 land meer.

Trouwens was Prins Filip niet een van die leiders van zo'n geheime organisatie?

Onze Flup gaat inderdaad naar een kasteel om de zoveel tijd om daar te vergaderen. :D Echt het bewijs dat de mannen van de NWO zo gevaarlijk zijn. ;)

BTW, volgens de theorie zou de NWO oorlogen starten.

dadash

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DA_MadAce zei:
Onze Flup gaat inderdaad naar een kasteel om de zoveel tijd om daar te vergaderen. :D Echt het bewijs dat de mannen van de NWO zo gevaarlijk zijn. ;)

BTW, volgens de theorie zou de NWO oorlogen starten.

Hmm rare theorie dan. Dus ze starten oorlogen EN ze proberen de wereld te verenigen. Raar.

ng

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Dat zou je nog kunnen verklaren met "divide and conquer". Al blijft het gewoonweg raar.

Bacon

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night ghost 128 zei:
En de macht bij de werkende mens? Wat gaat die nu te zeggen hebben over wereldpolitiek. Laat staan dat het hem interesseert.

Belangrijk punt heb je daar, je geeft dus toe dat het niet meer dan een eliteclubje is waar de 'normale' mens niets aan heeft. Sommigen mensen vinden dit normaal "het is toch altijd al zo geweest?" Anderen hebben er stilletjesaan genoeg van. Het is een systeem dat niet kan blijven werken. De nadelen en de onmenselijke praktijken die er mee gepaard gaan worden dankzij internet meer en meer blootgelegd.

dadash zei:
Hmm rare theorie dan. Dus ze starten oorlogen EN ze proberen de wereld te verenigen. Raar.

Al vergeten wat er na de wereldoorlogen gebeurde? Nog nooit van divide & conquer gehoord? Het installeren van 'puppet-regimes'?

Problem - reaction - solution.

Net zoals de war on terror. Probleem > terroristen, reaction > mensen vragen achter meer veiligheid, solution > wetten doorvoeren die anders niemand zou willen.

Met dank aan Goering ;)

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Iemand de video's bekeken?

stoomboot

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Bacon, u gelooft in het reptielenvolkje?


En'k vraag me af of de uitdrukking "op iemands staart trappen" dan van toepassing is en of deze dan afgerukt zou worden en opnieuw groeit :unsure:



Deus ex Machina zei:
pls elites vind je overal, wat denk je dat onze politieke top is?
Verkozen mensen door het gewone volk, waarvan 3/4e niet beter is dan u of mij? :wtf:
Zie niet in waarom zij plots doelbewust de weg gaan vrijmaken zodat er wat schubben overheen kunnen kruipen.

GTM

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Bacon zei:
Al vergeten wat er na de wereldoorlogen gebeurde? Nog nooit van divide & conquer gehoord? Het installeren van 'puppet-regimes'?

Problem - reaction - solution.
En welke zijn die marionettenstaten dan wel?

ng

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Bacon zei:
Belangrijk punt heb je daar, je geeft dus toe dat het niet meer dan een eliteclubje is waar de 'normale' mens niets aan heeft. Sommigen mensen vinden dit normaal "het is toch altijd al zo geweest?" Anderen hebben er stilletjesaan genoeg van. Het is een systeem dat niet kan blijven werken. De nadelen en de onmenselijke praktijken die er mee gepaard gaan worden dankzij internet meer en meer blootgelegd.

En wat stel jij dan voor?
Weg met de ministers enzovoort? Weg met de VN?

GTM

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Bacon zei:
Irak om er 1 te noemen.
Leuk.
*wacht gespannen af op bewijs*

Net zoals Zuid-Korea, Taiwan en West-Duitsland in hun begindagen heel onstabiel waren, en alles hoofdzakelijk in goede banen geleid moest worden door de geallieerden.
En kijk nu, 3 van de meest welvarende, stabiele, en democratische landen op de planeet.

Bacon

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night ghost 128 zei:
En wat stel jij dan voor?
Weg met de ministers enzovoort? Weg met de VN?

Er moet eerst en vooral iets gebeuren aan het economisch systeem, dat zorgt ervoor dat de macht bij een kleine minderheid blijft.
Systemen zoals vrije handel en centrale banken houden een greep op de ontwikkeling van 3e wereldlanden en zorgen er in de andere delen voor dat mensen sinds 1930 enkel maar minder en minder zijn gaan verdienen en meer en meer moeten werken. Toevallig ging dit bij de machthebbers net andersom.

De VN kan wel werken mits wat aanpassingen, de veto-rechten bijvoorbeeld. Neem eens een kijkje wat de VS allemaal heeft uitgespookt in het voordeel van Israël terwijl iedereen tegen was.

US - Israeli UN Resolution Hypocrisy
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10673

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Een ander belangrijk punt is simpelweg meer openheid en eerlijkheid vanuit de media. Als mensen weten wat er gebeurt zal men de schuldigen ook aansprakelijk houden, het rechtsysteem kán werken, anders was het niet nodig de mensen blaasjes wijs te maken.
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