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Soals zei:Bron?
+ Mensen vermoorden als enige 'daad van het kwade' bestempelen is zeer kort door de bocht.
mac-bc zei:Ah zo. Als Palestina al "jaren onderdrukt wordt door Israël", dan is dat extra schandalig.
Als Joden al honderden jaren vervolgd en afgeslacht worden zonder reden, dan is dat niet extra schandalig. Neen, dan verwachten we van hen juist méér menselijkheid omdat ze "het toch zelf meegemaakt hebben".
Als de Palestijnen het nu allemaal zelf meemaken dat er burgerslachtoffers vallen, waarom sturen ze dan nog elke dag raketten op Israël enkel en alleen met de bedoeling burgerslachtoffers te maken?
Het is echt betreurenswaardig dat de ene partij aan veel hogere eisen moet voldoen dan de ander. Als ze daar dan één moment niet in slagen, krijgen ze -excuseer me de uitdrukking- alle zonden van Israël over zich heen. Vreemde hersenkronkels.
Alhambra Decree
The Alhambra Decree (also known as the Edict of Expulsion) was an edict issued on 31 March 1492 by the joint Catholic Monarchs of Spain (Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon) ordering the expulsion of Jews from the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon and its territories and possessions by 31 July of that year.[1]
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The Spanish Jews who chose to leave Spain dispersed throughout the region of North Africa known as the Maghreb. They also fled to south-eastern Europe where they were granted safety and formed flourishing local Jewish communities, the largest being those of Salonika, Constantinople, and Sarajevo. In those regions, they often intermingled with the already existing Mizrahi (Middle Eastern Jewish) communities.
Sultan Bayezid II of the Ottoman Empire, learning about the expulsion of Jews from Spain, dispatches the Ottoman Navy to bring the Jews safely to Ottoman lands, mainly to the cities of Thessaloniki (currently in Greece) and İzmir (currently in Turkey).[11]
Scholars disagree about how many Jews left Spain as a result of the decree; the numbers vary between 130,000 and 800,000. Many (likely more than half) went to Portugal, where they eluded persecution for only a few years. The Jewish community in Portugal (perhaps then some 10% of that country's population)[12] were then declared Christians by Royal decree unless they left.
Tens of thousands of Jews died while trying to reach safety. In the last days before the expulsion, rumors spread throughout Spain that many Jews had swallowed gold and diamonds they hoped to take with them. As a result, many Jews were knifed to death and had their stomachs cut open by brigands looking for treasure. In another example, Jews who tried escaping via the sea were often charged exorbitant sums by Spanish ship captains, and were then sometimes tossed overboard in the middle of the sea.[13]
Alhambra Decree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jews in the Ottoman Empire and Turkey
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During the tragic days of World War II, Turkey managed to maintain its neutrality. As early as 1933 Ataturk invited numbers of prominent German Jewish professors to flee Nazi Germany and settle in Turkey. Before and during the war years, these scholars contributed a great deal to the development of the Turkish university system. During World War II, Turkey served as a safe passage for many Jews fleeing the horrors of Nazism. While the Jewish communities of Greece were wiped out almost completely by Hitler, Turkish Jews remained secure.
Several Turkish diplomats such as Ambassadors Behic Erkin and Numan Menemencioglu; Consul Generals Fikret Sefik Ozdoganci, Bedii Arbel, Selahattin Ulkumen; Consuls Namik Kemal Yolga and Necdet Kent helped to save the Turkish Jews in European countries from the Holocaust. Mr. Salahattin Ulkumen, Consul General in the Greek island of Rhodes in 1943 and 1944, was recognized by Yad Vashem as a Righteous Gentile in June 1990.
The present size of the Jewish community is estimated at around 26000. The vast majority live in Istanbul, with a community of about 2500 in Izmir and other smaller groups located in Adana, Ankara, Bursa, Canakkale, Iskenderun and Kirklareli. Sephardis make up 96% of the community, with Ashkenazis accounting for the rest. There are about 100 Karaites, an independent group who does not accept the authority of the Chief Rabbi.
Turkish Jews are legally represented, as they have been for many centuries, by the Hahambasi, the Chief Rabbi. Synagogues are classified as religious foundations (Vakifs). There are 16 synagogues in use in Istanbul today. Three are in service in holiday resorts, during summer only. Some of them are very old, especially Ahrida Synagogue in the Balat district, which dates from mid-fifteenth century. The 15th and 16th century Haskoy and Kuzguncuk cemeteries in Istanbul are still in use today.
Holocaust | Jews in the Ottoman Empire and Turkey
The Jews of Iran
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Iranian Jews lived through a happy and prosperous period after the Second World War and until the advent of the Islamic revolution in 1979. The Islamic Republic, hostile to the State of Israel, looked on Iranian Jews with suspicion. By the end of 2000, Islamic revolutionary courts had executed almost twenty Jews. The constitution of 1979, however, recognized the Jews as a religious minority and granted them a seat in Parliament. Iranian Jews have their own organizations, including Anjoman Kalimiyane Tehran (The Jewish Society of Tehran), which publishes a periodical, Persian Bina.
From early 1978 until the year 2000, more than 60,000 Jews left Iran, mostly from Tehran. Most of them have settled in the United States. An estimated 30,000 Jews still live in Iran today, the largest Jewish community in the Muslim world.
Holocaust | The Jews of Iran
History of the Jews in Iraq
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Under the regime of King Faisal 1, a benevolent monarch supported by the British, Jews, like all other minorities, were invited to participate as citizens in the new Iraq. In this climate, Jews enjoyed a period of splendour. Iraq's first minister of finance, Sir Sassoon Eskell, was a Jew, and Jews were important in developing the judicial and postal systems. Records from the Baghdad Chamber of Commerce show that 10 out of its 19 members in 1947 were Jews and the first musical band formed for Baghdad's nascent radio in the 1930s consisted mainly of Jews. Jews were represented in the Iraqi parliament, and many Jews held significant positions in the bureaucracy which in many cases led to resentment by the Iraqi population.
Sociologist Philip Mendes asserts that before the anti-Jewish actions of the 1930s and 1940s, overall Iraqi Jews "viewed themselves as Arabs of the Jewish faith, rather than as a separate race or nationality".
In the 1930s, the situation of the Jews in Iraq deteriorated. Previously, the growing Iraqi Arab nationalist sentiment included Iraqi Jews as fellow Arabs, but these views changed with the introduction of Nazi propaganda and the ongoing conflict in the Palestinian Mandate. Despite protestations of their loyalty to Iraq, Iraqi Jews were increasingly subject to discrimination and harsh laws. On August 27, 1934 many Jews were dismissed from public service, and quotas were set up in colleges and universities. The teaching of Jewish history and Hebrew in Jewish schools was banned. Following Rashid Ali's pro-Axis coup, the Farhud ("violent dispossession") pogrom of June 1 and 2, 1941, broke out in Baghdad in which approximately 180 Jews were murdered, and up to 1,000 injured -- damages to property were estimated at $3 million. There was also looting in many other cities at around the same time.
At the creation of Israel in 1948, Zionism became a capital crime to Iraqi law. The worsening climate intensified. In 1950, Iraqi Jews were permitted to emigrate, if they renounced their citizenship. New economic restrictions were imposed on those who remained in the country. In 1952, the tone changed: emigration was forbidden. Two members of the Jewish community, accused of masterminding an attack against a U.S. institution, were hanged in public.
Holocaust | History of the Jews in Iraq
Pokem0ng zei:bah, het is vrij gemakkelijk om te googlen:
Israeli?Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
slachtoffers aan beide kanten sinds 1965
Casualties and losses
21,500 casualties (1965–2013)[2]
wanneer je dit vergelijkt met bv deze oorlog alleen al dan zie je direct het verschil:
Iran?Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
dit is maar één van de oorlogen die er geweest zijn, er zijn ook talloze andere conflicten uiteraard..
Israel vs Palestina wordt door de media enorm uitvegroot, en dit is jammer.

Soals zei:Dus in feite wil je hiermee zeggen 'het is allemaal zo erg nog niet'?
Het is niet omdat er meer doden vallen in andere oorlogen, dat dit Israël zou vrijpleiten...
Daarom ook dat Hamas veroordeelt dient te worden om haar daden, net zoals Israël.
En nogmaals: het doden van mensen als enige 'daad van het kwade' gebruiken is zeer kort door de bocht.
Pokem0ng zei:ik wil gewoon zeggen dat dit conflict enorm uitvegroot wordt door de media en ik vind het jammer.
trouwens hamas wordt nauwelijks veroordeeld in dit topic of in de media, en dit is vrij triestig.
Pokem0ng zei:interessante stats
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Een antwoord gekregen op je belachelijke statement??? Het zijn niet moslims die moslims vermoorden. Het zijn terroristen (en NEE DIE BEHOREN NIET TOT DE MOSLIMS!!!!) die moslims vermoorden!!!Not only do Muslims inflict zero civilian deaths in America and Europe, they bear the brunt of terrorism in the Middle East and South Asia. The 2011 NCTC report found that the vast majority of deaths from religious terrorism were in fact Muslims. The report reads:
• In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 percent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years.
• Muslim majority countries bore the greatest number of attacks involving 10 or more deaths, with Afghanistan sustaining the highest number (47), followed by Iraq (44), Pakistan (37), Somalia (28), and Nigeria (12).
• Afghans also suffered the largest number of fatalities overall with 3,245 deaths, followed by Iraqis (2,958), Pakistanis (2,038), Somalis (1,013), and Nigerians (590).
The bulk of these terrorist attacks were carried out by Sunni extremists, including Al-Qaeda and the Taliban (see p.11 of the report).
Based on these two facts–1) that Muslims are the number one victims of Islamic terrorism, and 2) that Sunni extremists such as Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are most responsible for this—the American mind, fully ensconced in the national mythology, reaches the conclusion that Muslims ought to support America’s War on Terror; or, worded in an even more imperial tone:
Muslims should be grateful to us for fighting for them against the Bad Guys.
And yet, grateful is the last word to describe Muslim sentiment. Muslims around the globe (including in Afghanistan and Iraq), overwhelmingly disapprove of the so-called War on Terror. In fact, they hold very negative views of the United States (at least in regard its foreign policy), viewing “‘U.S. interference in the Arab world’ as the greatest obstacle to peace and stability in the Middle East.” This, in spite of the majority holding very negative views towards Al-Qaeda and its tactics.
So, why aren’t these Moozlums grateful for all that we’ve done for them?
It’s because they know what is painfully obvious: it is U.S. military intervention in the region that is most responsible for creating the problem of terrorism.
This becomes very clear if we look at the three countries that have reported the highest number of terrorism-related fatalities (according to NCTC data): Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. These three countries alone accounted for 64% of terrorism-related fatalities in 2005, 74% in 2006, 77% in 2007, 59% in 2008, 61% in 2009, 66% in 2010, and 68% in 2011.
Iraqis specifically have suffered the most from terrorism: according to the NCTC, from 2005 to 2007 some 55-65% of terrorism-related fatalities occurred in Iraq alone. The 2009 report declared: “Since 2005, Iraq continues to be the country with the most attacks and fatalities due to terrorism.”
The report also stated that the group most responsible for terrorism was (and continues to be) Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). What the NCTC failed to point out, however, was that (in the words of Barack Obama) “Al-Qaeda in Iraq…didn’t exist before our invasion.” Al-Qaeda in Iraq was founded with the intent to “[e]xpel the Americans from Iraq” and topple the interim government propped up by the United States. The Iraqis can thank the United States for creating the conditions that spawned this terrorist group, as well as for the resulting violence.
In fact, is it very easy to see the correlation between the U.S. invasion and terrorism in Iraq using the RAND Database of Worldwide Terrorism Incidents (RDWTI), which has tracked terrorist incidents for several decades.
In the year before the Iraq War (from 3/19/2002 to 3/19/2003), there were only 13 terrorist attacks and 14 terrorism-related deaths in Iraq. In the year after the Iraq War (from 3/20/2003 to 3/20/2004), there were 225 terrorist attacks and 1,074 terrorism-related deaths. In other words, the U.S. invasion of Iraq resulted in an over 1600% increase in terrorist attacks and an over 7500% increase in terrorism-related deaths in just one year.
At the height of the Iraq War, there were 3,968 terrorist attacks, resulting in 9,497 deaths–which amounts to an over 30,000% increase in terrorist incidents and over 67,000% increase in terrorism-related deaths as compared to pre-war years.
Bron: Most Victims of Islamic Terrorism are Muslims... And Why America is to Blame For It | loonwatch.com
mac-bc zei:Pokemong, die weliswaar een uitgesproken pro-Israëlische mening vertegenwoordigd (mag wel hier in deze thread), maar nooit haatdragende uitspraken gedaan heeft.
Pokem0ng zei:Palestijnen willen geen eigen staat, ze kunnen er geen bouwen, omdat het een horde debielen is, net als zowat iedereen rondom Palestina.
DaFreak zei:Mja no offense maar dat is toch ook wel kort door de bocht. Het westen heeft Jeruzalem niet gekozen als beloofde land, dat hebben alle religieuzen zichzelf aangedaan. Het is natuurlijk wel zo dat de Joden er geen officiele staat hadden kunnen vestigen zonder de steun van bepaalde westerse landen die vonden dat ze iets goed te maken hadden dus ja in die zin is niemand hier zonder schuld.
Soals zei:Wat Hamas doet is ook walgelijk, maar op zich zou Israël perfect de 'slimste' kunnen zijn in dit conflict.
Door gewoon géén raketten af te vuren. Ze hebben hun eigen Iron Dome die hen grotendeels beschermd tegen aanvallen.
Nu is er gewoon een escalatie aan de gang waarin beide partijen zullen blijven doorgaan tot de ander vernietigd is, of er serieuze internationale inmenging komt (helaas zie ik dat niet meteen gebeuren).
mac-bc zei:Heb je nasredinho al bezig gezien hier? Leg dat maar eens naast Pokemong, die weliswaar een uitgesproken pro-Israëlische mening vertegenwoordigd (mag wel hier in deze thread), maar nooit haatdragende uitspraken gedaan heeft.
nasredinho zei:Wat nasredinho?
Omdat ik zei dat Israël een moordstaat is?
Ik heb nooit iets verkeerd gezegd over het Jodendom of Christendom en ik zal dat nooit doen.
Probleem is Israël.
In Noord Afrika wonen er veel Joden

Mudi zei:Nee, het Westen heeft idd Jerusalem niet gekozen, maar zij waren wel van mening dat de Joden recht hadden op dat land, omdat er een gek alle Joden in Europa probeerde te vermoorden. Mocht Hitler de Joden niet vermoordt hebben, dan zouden ze ook geen "recht" hebben op hun beloofde land.
Het is eerder: Jullie hebben "dit" meegemaakt en ter compensatie krijgen jullie "dat". Maar die "dat is wel in conflict met de interest van iemand anders. Maar de Westen hielden geen rekening met de Arabieren omdat ze hun onder kolonie hadden. Gevolg, de Westen deed wat em wilt en nu zijn ze stil.
Ruben666 zei:Hij grossiert slechts in bepaald bedenkelijke uitspraken bedoel je dan?
Mudi zei:Wat een onnozele en uit de context getrokken statistiek!!!!!
Zie dat is met wat ik bedoel dat je dingen uit context haalt. Ik zal je direct een counterrespons geven:
Een antwoord gekregen op je belachelijke statement??? Het zijn niet moslims die moslims vermoorden. Het zijn terroristen (en NEE DIE BEHOREN NIET TOT DE MOSLIMS!!!!) die moslims vermoorden!!!
Trouwens, ik kan je ook statistieken/informatie geven hoeveel Joden er vermoord werden door de Christenen en hoeveel er door de moslims. Dan zal je ook zien dat moslims maar een kleine 1% van de totale hoeveelheid uitmaakten
Bron: A History of the Jews, a list of expulsions for 2000 years
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