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UnitedArabEm. zei:iswaar, de VS kon hun bommen precies maken, de russen zo groot mogelijk. Maar met één Tsar Bomba kun je al heel Frankrijk opblazen![]()
een Tsar Bomba zal nooit zijn doel bereiken

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UnitedArabEm. zei:iswaar, de VS kon hun bommen precies maken, de russen zo groot mogelijk. Maar met één Tsar Bomba kun je al heel Frankrijk opblazen![]()

Tr1ploid zei:
Tr1ploid zei:

Leuke vonst. Die kernwapens hebben minder effect dan gedacht (behalve de Tsar).Tr1ploid zei:

UnitedArabEm. zei:verandert mijn kijk op atoombommen, en wij hebben schrik van Noord Korea :doh:
DaFreak zei:Voor de geinteresseerden; Tsar comparison
Het is echt niet in te schatten hoe hallucinant veel gruwel het droppen van zoiets op een metropool zou veroorzaken. Ik ben ook geen voorstander van een Iran met nukes maar ik ben ook geen voorstander van een Israel met nukes. In mijn ogen zouden ze beiden moeten ontwapenen want zoals het nu zit heeft Israel geen poot om op te staan en zou geen enkel zichzelf respecterend land zich zo in een hoekje laten duwen zonder terug te bijten. Als mijn buur zo agressief zou zijn en al verschillende keren mijn luchtruim heeft geschonden en aanvallen op mijn grondgebied heeft uitgevoerd zou ik ook graag mijn tanden willen kunnen laten zien. Israel heeft de huidige kille relaties zelf in de hand gewerkt en als ze Iran via de militaire weg willen klein houden ipv deftige diplomatische relaties uit te bouwen zal er niets veranderen en dan vind ik ook niet dat je het Iran kwalijk kan nemen dat ze zullen blijven proberen hun recht op zelfbeschikking op dezelfde manier af te dwingen.
Obama daarjuist op het nieuws nog bezig gehoord over hoe hij, als Iran hun eisen inwilligt, de kraan een heel klein beetje terug zou open zetten door de economische sancties minimaal af te zwakken. Hij voegde er meteen aan toe dat als Iran uranium verder zou verreiken voor medische (!) toepassingen dat dit hen zwaar zal kosten, dit omdat het gemakkelijk is om van medisch 20% verrijkt uranium naar weapon grade uranium over te stappen... Puur uit gemakzucht leggen we legitiem gebruik van uranium aan banden omdat het veiligheidsdiensten beter uitkomt.
Obama's powerpose komt letterlijk neer op het aanreiken van een snoepje met de ene hand, terwijl de stok zichtbaar is in de andere om dan vervolgens te "vragen" om truckjes te doen. Iran wordt constant publiekelijk vernedert. Welk land zou niet proberen van zijn leiband af te geraken?


Pokem0ng zei:zowat alles wat je hier hebt neergezet kan enkel van een zeer naieve jonge mens komen, die gelooft dat de wereld goed is, net zoals zijn land = Belgie )
DaFreak zei:Oh world, wtf is wrong with thee.
Pokem0ng zei:grootste problemen van heel veel westerlingen is dat ze de wereld via hun Westerse bril bekijken, best jammer eigenlijk.
Dit is gewoon klinkklare onzin. Er is geen enkel bewijs dat Iran effectief aan het werken is aan kernwapens.Pokem0ng zei:Iran heeft voldoende uranium voor een aantal kernwapens, terwijl ze tijd blijven winnen door eindeloze en nutteloze onderhandelingen zijn hun wetenschappers actief aan het werken om de nukes te maken.
"American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb. ... The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies."
"Israel’s intelligence service Mossad agrees with U.S. assessments of Iran’s nuclear ambitions, even though Israeli leaders have talked about Tehran’s plans to acquire nuclear weapons, The New York Times reported late Saturday. ... Their people ask very hard questions, but Mossad does not disagree with the U.S. on the weapons program,” the newspaper quoted an unnamed former senior U.S. intelligence official as saying."
US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta: "I think [Iran is] developing a nuclear capability [but] our intelligence makes clear that they haven't made the decision to develop a nuclear weapon."
US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: "We continue to assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons."
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak: "[Iran has] not yet decided to manufacture atomic weapons."
Israeli Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, head of the Israeli military (IDF): "[Iran] is going step by step to the place where it will be able to decide whether to manufacture a nuclear bomb. It hasn't decided to go the extra mile. I don't think [Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei] will want to go the extra mile. I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people."
Nog zoiets, het idee dat Iran maar "maanden of jaren meer verwijderd is van het bouwen van kernwapens", is propaganda die al dertig jaar wordt verkocht.Pokem0ng zei:nu hebben ze voldoende uranium om het eindelijk te maken.
An April 24, 1984 article entitled "'Ayatollah' Bomb in Production for Iran" in United Press International referenced a Jane's Intelligence Defense Weekly report warning that Iran was moving "very quickly" towards a nuclear weapon and could have one as early as 1986.
In response, a U.S. Department of State spokesman was reportedly quick to point out the official government belief that "it would take at least two to three years to complete construction of the reactors at Bushehr," adding that the light water power reactors at the Bushehr plant "are not particularly well-suited for a weapons program." He also noted that "we have no evidence of Iranian construction of other facilities that would be necessary to separate plutonium from spent reactor fuel."
Two months later, on June 27, 1984, in an article entitled "Senator says Iran, Iraq seek N-Bomb," Minority Whip of the U.S. Senate Alan Cranston was quoted as claiming Iran was a mere seven years away from being able to build its own nuclear weapon.
In April 1987, the Washington Post published an article with the title "Atomic Ayatollahs: Just What the Mideast Needs – an Iranian Bomb," in which reporter David Segal wrote of the imminent threat of such a weapon.
The next year, in 1988, Iraq issued warnings that Tehran was at the nuclear threshold.
By late 1991, Congressional reports and CIA assessments maintained a "high degree of certainty that the government of Iran has acquired all or virtually all of the components required for the construction of two to three nuclear weapons."
On October 31, 1991, Elaine Sciolino reported for The New York Times that "an American intelligence assessment has concluded that at least some of Iran's revolutionary leaders are intent on developing nuclear weapons." The report quotes Anthony Cordesman, a military expert and author of "Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East," as saying, "There is no doubt that Iran is pursuing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and seeking to obtain long-range missiles from North Korea and to develop them in Iran."
A report by the U.S. House Republican Research Committee, released in early 1992, stated with "98 per cent certainty that Iran already had all [or virtually all] of the components required for two to three operational nuclear weapons made with parts purchased in the ex-Soviet Muslim republics," and suggested Iran would acquire these weapons by April 1992.
In March 1992, The Arms Control Reporter reported that Iran already had four nuclear weapons, which it had obtained from Russia. That same year, the CIA predicted that Iran was "making progress on a nuclear arms program and could develop a nuclear weapon by 2000," then later changed their estimate to 2003.
On March 26, 1992, The Jerusalem Report, noting that "Israel keeps a wary watch on Teheran's march to the Bomb," predicted that, "y the year 2000, Iran will almost certainly have the Bomb."
According to The Washington Post's R. Jeffrey Smith in an article published March 28, 1992, then-Director of the CIA Robert Gates told a Congressional panel that Iran was also engaged in "the development of poison gas warheads to place atop Scud missiles" and that "the country's 'relatively crude' chemical weapons program is expected to produce such warheads within a few years. 'We also suspect that Iran is working toward a biological warfare capability,' he said."
A May 1992 report in The European claims that "Iran has obtained at least two nuclear warheads out of a batch officially listed as 'missing from the newly independent republic of Kazakhstan.'"
The Washington Post reported on June 15, 1992, that Israeli Major General Herzl Budinger had said that unless "Iran's intensive effort to develop atomic weapons is not 'disrupted,'" it would "become a nuclear power by the end of the decade."
Speaking on French television in October 1992, then-Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres warned the international community that Iran would be armed with a nuclear bomb by 1999.
The following month, on November 8, 1992, the New York Times reported that Israel was confident Iran would "become a nuclear power in a few years unless stopped." A "senior army officer" in Israel told the paper that "the Iranians may have a full nuclear capability by the end of the decade." The Times stated, "For Israel, a sense that the region's nuclear clock is ticking."
After the November 1992 release of a new National Intelligence Estimate, which found that Iran "is making progress on a nuclear arms program and could develop a nuclear weapon by 2000," CIA head Robert Gates addressed the imminent threat in an interview with the Associated Press. "Is it a problem today?" he rhetorically asked, "probably not. But three, four, five years from now it could be a serious problem."
On January 23, 1993, Gad Yaacobi, Israeli envoy to the UN, was quoted in the Boston Globe, claiming that Iran was devoting $800 million per year to the development of nuclear weapons. Then, on February 24, 1993, CIA director James Woolsey said that although Iran was "still eight to ten years away from being able to produce its own nuclear weapon" the United States was concerned that, with foreign assistance, it could become a nuclear power earlier.
That same year, international press went wild with speculation over Iranian nuclear weapons. In the Spring of 1993, U.S. News and World Report, the New York Times, the conservative French weekly Paris Match, and Foreign Report all claimed Iran had struck a deal with North Korea to develop nuclear weapons capability, while U.S. intelligence analysts alleged an Iranian nuclear alliance with Ukraine. Months later, the AFP reported Switzerland was supplying Iran with nuclear weapons technology, while the Intelligence Newsletter claimed that the French firm CKD was delivering nuclear materials to Iran and U.S. News and World Report accused Soviet scientists working in Kazakhstan of selling weapons-grade uranium to Iran.
In a prepared statement to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs on November 10, 1993, State Department Undersecretary for International Security Affairs Lynn Davis declared that "Iran's actions leave little doubt that Tehran is intent upon developing nuclear weapons capability" and that Iran's acquisition of so-called "dual-use technologies" are "inconsistent with any rational civil nuclear energy program."
By the end of 1993, Theresa Hitchens and Brendan McNally of Defense News and National Defense University analyst W. Seth Carus had reaffirmed CIA director Woolsey's prediction "that Iran could have nuclear weapons within eight to ten years."
Around the same time, Knesset member Ephraim Sneh told a symposium at the Yaffe Center for Strategic Studies that because "Iran threatens the interests of all rational states in the Middle East," everything must be done "to prevent Iran from ever reaching nuclear capability."
In the March/April 1994 issue of Foreign Affairs, Anthony Lake, a close adviser of President Clinton for National Security Affairs, identified Iran as a "backlash state" which "posea threat to U.S. interests and ideals," adding that "Iran and Iraq are particularly troublesome since they not only defy nonproliferation exports but border the vital Persian Gulf." He further declared, "Iran is actively engaged in clandestine efforts to acquire nuclear and other unconventional weapons and long range missile-delivery systems."
In January 1995, John Holum, director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, testified before Congress that "Iran could have the bomb by 2003," while Defense Secretary William Perry unveiled a grimmer analysis, stating that "Iran may be less than five years from building an atomic bomb, although how soon...depends how they go about getting it." Perry suggested that Iran could potentially buy or steal a nuclear bomb from one of the former Soviet states in "a week, a month, five years."
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Of omdat het Israëlische leger en de Israëlische inlichtingendiensten weer eens niet akkoord gingen met Netanyahu:Pokem0ng zei:officiele feiten zijn: Netanyahu wil Iran al jaren aanvallen maar eerst mocht het niet want de Amerikaanse troepen moesten uit Irak worden getrokken
Was een foute vertaling.Mikey_1 zei:-Iran heeft openlijk verteld dat ze Israël willen uitroeien (ik weet niet juist hoe ze dat gezegd hebben, maar het kwam wel daarop neer)
Waar wij ook geen enkel recht op hebben.Mikey_1 zei:-Ik denk ook, moest Iran een kernwapen hebben en moesten de westerse landen sancties opleggen (zoals er nu sancties zijn) dat Iran kan dreigen dat als er sancties komen dat ze kernwapens gebruiken, dus kunnen we ze langs geen kanten meer controleren.
Nee, Iran is zoals zowat alle landen een vrij rationele actor.Mikey_1 zei:-fundamentalische islamland... en je weet wat de harde kern van de moslims wilt...iedereen bekeren tot de islam en/of de ongelovigen doden.
-een machtig wapen als dit zou nooit in handen mogen komen van een fundamentalische religie-staat, ze denken alles in naam van hun God, de wil van God (in hun geval Allah) en de islam loopt ook meerdere honderden jaren achter op de westerse wereld
Ja, oorlog vermijden, nucleaire proliferatie verminderen, vernietigende sancties opheffen.Pokem0ng zei:Hoe komt dat Obama zo een rush heeft om een deal met Iran te sluiten en Iran quasi te erkennen als kernmacht ? wat bezielt Obama ?
The specifics of the deal have yet to be released, but negotiators indicated the broad outlines:
- Iran will stop enriching uranium beyond 5%, the level at which it can be used for weapons research, and reduce its stockpile of uranium enriched beyond this point
- Iran will give greater access to inspectors including daily access at Natanz and Fordo nuclear sites
- In return, there will be no new nuclear-related sanctions for six months
- Iran will also receive sanctions relief worth about $7bn (£4.3bn) on sectors including precious metals

Die zijn even rationeel als hun premier?therapy? zei:Mijn Israëlitische vriendjes zijn alvast om oorlog aan het roepen.Toch maar eens van facebook gooien...

Dit is gewoon klinkklare onzin. Er is geen enkel bewijs dat Iran effectief aan het werken is aan kernwapens.